Very much so. It’s a lot of fun over here.
Being at the Olympics and not having to play, or train, or wake up earlyâthat seems like it’d be super fun!
It was amazing. You just do whatever you want. You stay up late, get up late, and your pregame is an Aperol spritz.
The games are stressful, but it’s also like, you don’t have to take it on all the time! You just go and enjoy and watch. I’ve been a part of so many tournaments, Olympics, World Cups, all of that where you maybe have an off-day in the middle. Then the after party when you’re done is the only day that you really get to let your hair out. Being able to be on the opposite side and enjoy everythingâwe had so much fun in Paris. They put on incredible Olympics. Being able to support and have fun and show up and just be a part of the team while not having to actually do all the hard things? Really nice.
When I interviewed Sue earlier this year, she talked about how she kind of struggles to hear the term âformer WNBA player.â The âused to beâ of it all is kind of hard for her to deal with. Where are you at with that? When you hear former player, is that still kind of weird for you?
I think I’ll just always feel like an athlete, right? I’ll just always be a player. It’s amazing to be an athlete too. There’s just such a mindset that comes with it. While I’m doing other things, and I feel like I am a businesswoman or these other things, I always feel like I’m an athlete. That’s such a huge part of my identity and something that not many people get to do. It’s so special. So, it does feel weird to be retired or to be a former. I always feel like I’m a player. I’m just a player that’s not playing anymore.
Does it make you feel old?
I guess compared to the kids. They’re so young now! But also, it’s a weird thing. I was so old in my sport and it was so much of what people were talking about, but then I retired and immediately I’m like, I’m so young. I have so much life ahead of me.
Yeah. I’m like, I could actually be your mom.
How has it been for you transitioning into the media side with your podcast with Sue? As someone who was interviewed for so long, when it gets flipped around, has that been kind of a trip for you?
Definitely. There’s a whole other way of thinking, and the preparation and the thoughtfulness. It’s so easy for me to just answer questions. I’ve done that forever and could do that forever. But this side is different. It’s also really fun because it’s all of the things that we were annoyed about as athletesâthe way questions are asked, or the lack of nuance in certain instances, especially around women’s sports. We get to do that now. We get to have our opinion and share this side of women’s sports, which is really fun. I’m still learning how to interview. It’s hard sometimes.
It is hard!
But it’s been really fun for Sue and I to be bouncing ideas off of each other, which we’ve done forever. Getting that into a show and figuring out how we want it to beâwhere’s the humor and where’s the more serious topics we want to talk aboutâit’s definitely a learning curve and a big challenge for us. It’s just something that we’ve never done, but I think we’re both really enjoying it and kind of finding our feet. We’ve done a few live pods, but we’ve only had maybe three or four episodes under our belt, so we’re still very green.
How early did you two start talking about the idea of a podcast? Was it like, when we both retire, we’ll do it?
We started just doing IG lives during the pandemic. It was really fun for us. We were kind of like, oh, I think we have something. Neither of us had the desire or bandwidth to do that while we were playing, and we needed to figure a lot of other stuff out. But I think especially going into my retirement, it was like, OK, letâs see how that plays out. It was just kind of a slow crawl to it. We always knew we had this special thing that we wanted to do.
